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    This is what we are up against, it's called a religion.

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  • #2
    Quite a difference between a religion where your God died (and arose) for your eternal salvation and one in which you die for your god and/or kill all non believers to attain your eternity. That's impossible to face in a truly Christian manner, turning the other cheek, loving thy neighbor, etc.

    However, I recognize that the posted picture depicts the wildly radical section of Islam and that there are those more moderate who practice Islam in a "live and let live"manner. They seem to be a silent majority.

    On the other hand, I don't know how to deal with those wild Amish and Baptists who run around beheading people who don't subscribe to their beliefs.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Qwerty View Post
      Quite a difference between a religion where your God died (and arose) for your eternal salvation and one in which you die for your god and/or kill all non believers to attain your eternity. That's impossible to face in a truly Christian manner, turning the other cheek, loving thy neighbor, etc.

      However, I recognize that the posted picture depicts the wildly radical section of Islam and that there are those more moderate who practice Islam in a "live and let live"manner. They seem to be a silent majority.

      On the other hand, I don't know how to deal with those wild Amish and Baptists who run around beheading people who don't subscribe to their beliefs.

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      • #4
        We all really need to listen carefully and actually understand what this lady who is a part of the Heritage Foundation panel on radical Islam has to say.
        Last edited by ColoradoNative; 07-10-2014, 01:40 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Qwerty View Post
          Quite a difference between a religion where your God died (and arose) for your eternal salvation and one in which you die for your god and/or kill all non believers to attain your eternity. That's impossible to face in a truly Christian manner, turning the other cheek, loving thy neighbor, etc.

          However, I recognize that the posted picture depicts the wildly radical section of Islam and that there are those more moderate who practice Islam in a "live and let live"manner. They seem to be a silent majority.

          On the other hand, I don't know how to deal with those wild Amish and Baptists who run around beheading people who don't subscribe to their beliefs.

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          Religion is at the root of most wars and hatred in the world. Christians just got a little earlier start than Islam. In the Middle Ages, if one said anything against the church, they were burned at the stake or sent to the Inquisition to be tortured until you 'learned the right path'. Then there were the wars between countries pushing the various strains of Christianity. That is on top of the Crusades. If they don't believe as I do, DESTROY THEM.

          Taken forward to today, many of the 'so-called' Christians would never be able to follow the teachings of Jesus. Much to Liberal for them to handle.

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          • #6
            I get a kick out of these fanatics that kill in the name of God.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jim View Post
              Religion is at the root of most wars and hatred in the world. Christians just got a little earlier start than Islam. In the Middle Ages, if one said anything against the church, they were burned at the stake or sent to the Inquisition to be tortured until you 'learned the right path'. Then there were the wars between countries pushing the various strains of Christianity. That is on top of the Crusades. If they don't believe as I do, DESTROY THEM.

              Taken forward to today, many of the 'so-called' Christians would never be able to follow the teachings of Jesus. Much to Liberal for them to handle.
              Jim, How did you manage to get both the history of Christianity and the teachings of Jesus wrong in the same short post?
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              • #8
                I found it hard and disturbing to watch.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by eldermike View Post
                  Jim, How did you manage to get both the history of Christianity and the teachings of Jesus wrong in the same short post?
                  So you think that the Crusades, Inquisition. killing non-believers and wars between Catholic/non-Catholic countries did not happen? Interesting...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jim View Post
                    Religion is at the root of most wars and hatred in the world. Christians just got a little earlier start than Islam. In the Middle Ages, if one said anything against the church, they were burned at the stake or sent to the Inquisition to be tortured until you 'learned the right path'. Then there were the wars between countries pushing the various strains of Christianity. That is on top of the Crusades. If they don't believe as I do, DESTROY THEM.

                    Taken forward to today, many of the 'so-called' Christians would never be able to follow the teachings of Jesus. Much to Liberal for them to handle.
                    Historically religion has caused 6.98% of all wars.

                    Is Religion the primary cause of war? | Religion is the Cause of War | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

                    Don't mean to confuse the issue with facts, sorry.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dzwiss View Post
                      Historically religion has caused 6.98% of all wars.

                      Is Religion the primary cause of war? | Religion is the Cause of War | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

                      Don't mean to confuse the issue with facts, sorry.
                      I would expect nothing less from the source you quoted. Unfortunately, if you Google the subject, there are many links to arguments with the opposite conclusion.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jim View Post
                        I would expect nothing less from the source you quoted. Unfortunately, if you Google the subject, there are many links to arguments with the opposite conclusion.

                        The statistics, 6.89% of wars caused buy religion, are based on The Encyclopedia of Wars, by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod, who are historians, not affiliated with the religious site I quoted. They are historians with no axe to grind.


                        "An interesting source of truth on the matter is Philip and Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars, which chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature,2 which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars. However, when one subtracts out those waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage is cut by more than half to 3.23%." (Taken from the above site)

                        These facts are not taken from a religious source, but an historical one.

                        Amazon.com: Encyclopedia of Wars - 3 Volume of Set (Fact on File Library of World History) (9780816028511): Charles Phillips, Alan Axelrod: Books
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jim View Post
                          So you think that the Crusades, Inquisition. killing non-believers and wars between Catholic/non-Catholic countries did not happen? Interesting...
                          Yeah, but your parallel with the subject Islam fails. It's a justification process common these days, but per normal without any facts other than big titles and talking points. This is a huge subject and one of hundreds if not thousands of books.......the short version: there is no parellel in history, in the case of Islam history is not repeating itself. The track of Islam has never been any different only the methods have changed.

                          Christain history has this blip in it.....Islam always the same, no blip to be found.
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                          • #14
                            When you try to read Jim's comments, you need to look at what he says and does. Inquisition was no war. It was supposed to root out catholics that were guilty of non belief or failure to believe like the ones running the inquisition. (sounds like Islam, huh?).
                            The crusades were supposedly to "seek the holy grail" and recover it from the moors. The holy grail has never been defined in a manner that removes conjecture or doubt. Some call it the chalice or cup that Jesus used to hold the last supper. Still some doubt.
                            Don't try to confuse the issue with facts, his mind is made up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 53 Merc View Post
                              When you try to read Jim's comments, you need to look at what he says and does. Inquisition was no war. It was supposed to root out catholics that were guilty of non belief or failure to believe like the ones running the inquisition. (sounds like Islam, huh?).
                              The crusades were supposedly to "seek the holy grail" and recover it from the moors. The holy grail has never been defined in a manner that removes conjecture or doubt. Some call it the chalice or cup that Jesus used to hold the last supper. Still some doubt.
                              Don't try to confuse the issue with facts, his mind is made up.
                              You made my point... That is that Christianity was not much different in the past than Islam is now. Of course, Islam was started quite a bit later than Christianity, so the timelines are roughly in sync.

                              Funny how one can justify a WAR by saying they were just seeking the holy grail or some other made up excuse.

                              The Christians have not fully gotten over their hate of non-believers quite yet. Ask the Mormons how they were received by the Christians a hundred years ago or so....

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