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  • #16
    Is there a difference listed for OAL for those loads?
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    • #17
      This thd seems to be falling into a familiar trap. Novice and old hand reloaders try to play one set of data against another source to get the combination/ advantage/ result they think they want. Trust me when I say "we ain't nearly as smart as we think we are..."

      As an old hand at this game, I will tell all that will listen, this very rarely WORKS OUT THAT WAY. I will say that I have stumbled across many a good combination by accident BUT found many more satisfying loads by starting at the listed minimum and working up slowly or changing ONE component at a time

      Adding a case FILLER TO A KNOWN GOOD PERFORMER rarely has the desired effect. I've had better responses by changing powder to achieve a fuller case (load density ) at the same pressures.

      Personally, I think this thread has been dragged far enough off track, I'm moving on.

      Paul

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      • #18
        Originally posted by eldermike View Post
        Is there a difference listed for OAL for those loads?
        Jacketed ... 1.590

        lead ... 1.575
        Jim
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        • #19
          Originally posted by JEBar View Post
          I admit to knowing just enough to be confused in this area .... example for 357 :

          taken from Lyman 49th Edition Reloading Handbook --- H110 with 158 grain jacketed bullet --- minimum 16.3 grains --- maximum 17.0 grains

          taken from corresponding 4th Edition of Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook --- H110 with 158 grain lead bullet --- minimum 14.4 grains --- maximum 15.0 grains


          no problem understanding the reduction in powder for lead .... what I don't get is if going below a minimum of 16.3 grains in a 357 with a 158 grain bullet is dangerous .... why aren't the loads given for lead dangerous .... even the top lead load is below the minimum jacketed load ....
          Coefficient of friction.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by JEBar View Post
            Jacketed ... 1.590

            lead ... 1.575
            So there is some account for loading density in those numbers. Pi times the ID radius times
            015 would be the approximate volume difference in the rounds.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by eldermike View Post
              So there is some account for loading density in those numbers. Pi times the ID radius times
              015 would be the approximate volume difference in the rounds.
              :sorry: I'm retired ....
              Jim
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              • #22
                Originally posted by JEBar View Post
                :sorry: I'm retired ....
                I didn't account for bullet shape difference because I don't have the 2 to compare. But I'll bet those minimum loads are calculated on a load density assumption. That would be minimum case volume remaining after charge and bullet seating. But again i have always had my doubts concerning the dangers of light charges. Also to repeat myself I follow all rules.
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                ...of all the liars among mankind, the fisherman is the most trustworthy. ~William Sherwood Fox, Silken Lines and Silver Hooks, 1954

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by eldermike View Post
                  So there is some account for loading density in those numbers. Pi times the ID radius times
                  015 would be the approximate volume difference in the rounds.
                  Are you taking into account the lube groove in the lead bullet, nose shape, etc.
                  You guys are making a mountain out of a little tiny pile of powder!:horse:
                  :sack:

                  John
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ColoradoNative View Post
                    Are you taking into account the lube groove in the lead bullet, nose shape, etc.
                    You guys are making a mountain out of a little tiny pile of powder!:horse:
                    :sack:
                    I know we are
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                    2016 F350 DRW, Lariat
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                    ...of all the liars among mankind, the fisherman is the most trustworthy. ~William Sherwood Fox, Silken Lines and Silver Hooks, 1954

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